Wednesday 20 November 2013

Jim Swire responds to Frank Duggan's falsehood and fable accusation

[What follows is Dr Jim Swire’s response to Frank Duggan’s assertion that UK relatives are lying and promoting a fable when they refer to a member of  the President's Commission on Aviation Security and Terrorism saying: "Your government and mine know exactly what happened but they're never going to tell."]

I do not usually reply to statements in the media from Mr Frank Duggan, however he has recently very publicly accused me of lying, concerning an event which happened in the United States embassy, where Mr Duggan was present, acting as relatives' liaison officer over the Lockerbie case, I believe.

I was also present.

Mr Duggan now claims that an alleged remark to one of the British relatives was not made.

It is hard to understand how he would know that because the remark was made 'off the record', confidentially in an aside to the father of another British victim.

I know and trust that victim's father.

The remark made to him was "Your government and ours know exactly what happened but they're never going to tell.”

That is not the kind of remark which any bereaved parent is ever likely to forget, but Mr Duggan could not have overheard it; perhaps he also does not understand its implications for a bereaved family.

Perhaps whatever Mr Duggan does not hear does not happen?

[RB: Jim Swire here wrote a sentence about PCAST which I have omitted because it referred to the wrong PCAST. Dr Swire has now circulated a correction. In an email to me he says: 'In demonstration of the fallibility of my memory I must also point out that Google led me to the wrong use of PCAST.' I may add that I should be happy if my own memory were only as fallible as Dr Swire's.]

I do however owe Mr Duggan and others an apology: the meeting in the US embassy in London apparently took place in February 1990 not in 1989 as I had thoughtlessly previously claimed. Forgive the weakness of an old man's memory for dates, Mr Duggan, but these days there is always Google.

Those who wish to view Mr Duggan in action may like to dig out of the net the Channel Four showing of a film about Lockerbie called The Maltese Double-Cross, which was followed by a live on air discussion where again I was present, as was Mr Duggan and where I had to ask a Mr Buck Revell of the FBI (appearing by satellite) why his son had canceled his flight on Pan Am 103 instead of getting murdered like my daughter. Mr Revell is, I understand, no longer in the FBI. If I recall correctly he told us that his son had received an unexpected change of leave dates from the army. His son was not claimed to be a member of the staff at the US Embassy in Moscow, where warnings about a terrorist threat specific to Pan Am had been posted on a staff notice board well before the tragedy. [RB: I cannot find this particular discussion online. But another instructive media performance by Frank Duggan can be viewed here.]

We have always been mystified as to why the Pan Am 103 plane was 'only' 2/3 full just before Christmas.

I won't ascribe a date to that discussion group, in case my memory might again prove defective.

There was also a British near equivalent to this amazing revelation from PCAST. In her autobiographical book published in 1993 - two years after the two Libyans had been indicted over involvement in the Lockerbie disaster. Lady Thatcher wrote, speaking of the attack by the USAF on Tripoli in 1986, itself an alleged reprisal for a terrorist bombing of a German disco:

“It turned out to be a more decisive blow against Libyan sponsored terrorism than I could ever have imagined....the much vaunted Libyan counter attack did not and could not take place. Gaddafi had not been destroyed but he had been humbled.” (The Downing Street Years, pp 448-9)

I fear, Mr Duggan, we shall continue to seek the truth and since we are European citizens we have an inalienable right to that truth under the provisions of the ECHR. Please Google that.

11 comments:

  1. MISSION LIFE WITH LOCKERBIE, 2013 -- Go on ground to new facts... (currently only in German language):

    Das rechtsgültige Beweis-Bild, Prod. Nr. 334, gibt nur dem Hersteller MEBO Ltd., die Gewissheit (aus technischen Merkmalen) - dass das MST-13 Timerfragment (PT-35) von einem Prototype "Circuit Board" abstammt - und somit nicht mit den nach Libyen gelieferten MST-13 Timer in Zusammenhang gebracht werden kann.

    Leider bleibt eine, 1990 von Bollier unterschriebene, entscheidende FBI Foto, mit der gleichen Abbildung des "PT-35 Fragments", bei der Schweizerischen Bundesanwaltschaft verschwunden !
    (Nach letzter Einsicht in die Akten, durch Edwin Bollier im September, 2013).

    Deshalb muss vom neuen 'Scottish Lockerbie Investigation Team' - led by Detective Superintendent Michael Dalgleish - absolut gefordert werden, dass das reale MST-13 Fragment (PT-35) nach neusten forensischen Möglichkeiten auf 8 oder 9 Lagen Fiberglas und auf Spuren von explosiv Puder untersucht wird...
    Nur durch eine neue Untersuchung auf neusten Stand der forensik Technik, können die letzten Rezensenten (Kritiker) überzeugt werden, dass es sich beim "manipulierten" MST-13 Timerfragment (PT-35) um einen fatal auswirkenden schottischen Betrug, zu lasten Libyen's handelt; in einem der grössten Krimialfälle, mit 270 Toten.

    Zur Erinnerung: Aussage von Zeuge Allen Feraday in Kamp van Zeist:

    Q- I see. Could we then, whilst keeping that photograph on the screen, look at photograph 334. And is it possible to have 330 as well. And if it's possible, could we magnify 330. If we look at 334, Mr. Feraday, what does that show us?
    A- That's a photograph of fragment PT/35 as recovered in
    the laboratory.
    Q- Is that prior to the removal of any samples?
    A- That is correct. Yes, sir.
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    by Edwin Bollier, MEBO Ltd. Telecommunication, Switzerland. Webpage: www.lockerbie.ch


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  2. I was going to comment on the actual blog post, but once again Edwin jumps in with an irrelevance for the first comment. Bye.

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  3. MISSION LIFE WITH LOCKERBIE, 2013 - go on ground to new facts... (google translation, german/english):

    The legally valid proof of image Prod. No. 334, give only the manufacturer MEBO Ltd., the certainty (of characteristics) - that the MST-13 Timerfragment (PT-35) comes from - a prototype "circuit board" and thus can not be brought in conection with the MST-13 timer, was supplied from MEBO Ltd. to Libya.

    Unfortunately a crucial FBI photo, with the same illustration of the "PT-35 fragment" is after 1990, still disappeared at the Swiss Federal Prosecutor's Office in Bern...
    (detected after the last inspection of hundreds files by Edwin Bollier in September, 2013).

    For that reason the new 'Scottish Lockerbie Investigation Team' - led by Detective Superintendent Michael Dalgleish - must be required absolutely, that the real MST-13 fragment (PT-35) get examined after latest forensic opportunities on 8 or 9 layers of fiberglass and of explosive powder traces.
    Only through a new examination, supported with the latest forensic technology, the last reviewers (CRITIC) can be convinced, that this manipulated MST-13 Timerfragment (PT-35) is a fatal Scottish Fraud; in one of the largest criminal history of Scotland, with 270 dead.

    Reminder: statement by witness all Feraday (RARDE) in Kamp van Zeist:

    Q-I see. Then, we could whilst keeping that photograph on the screen, look at photograph 334. and is it possible to have 330 as well. And if it's possible, could we magnify 330. If we look at 334, Mr. Feraday, what does that show US?
    A-that's a photograph of fragment PT/35 as recovered in
    the laboratory.
    Q-is that prior to the removal of any samples?
    A-that is correct. Yes, sir.

    by Edwin Bollier, MEBO Ltd telecommunication, Switzerland. Web page: www.lockerbie.ch

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  4. lISTEN TO THE WORDS OF THE WISE, EDWIN.

    In plain English, why not relax, take a holiday for a month or two or summut. preferably more. Right now, you are just coming over as some kind of deranged rabbit caught in the headlamps! You may even have more effect if you could manage to keep your trap shut for a while or so. Right now, you are simply coming over as a total fruitcake. A tad counter-productive, methinks.

    Pip, pip,
    Robert

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  5. Well, it's Bob's blog, but I must say I'm pretty fed up with it. I used to read Edwin's posts, but no longer. He's just repeating stuff we all know already. And he spams the threads with no reference to the actual subject of the original post.

    It's got to the point when if I see a MISSION: LOCKERBIE post at the start of a thread I don't even read any further. And that's a lot of threads. I wonder how many other people are doing the same?

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  6. I recently wrote:

    Note that, however unfair, also that other interests than strictly the “flow of continuously developing information” may apply.
    Otherwise I know at least one more person around here who'd need moderation too.


    Even though MEBO has a terrible score when it comes to making truly relevant and/or intelligible (for me, at least :-) postings, he is still a central person to the case and at times interesting knowledge can, patience allowing, be digged out.

    If all of above wasn't the case, the moderator (who doubtlessly most of the time agree with Rolfe and QR (and me)) would surely apply his powers.

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  7. "I see a MISSION: LOCKERBIE post at the start of a thread I don't even read any further. And that's a lot of threads. I wonder how many other people are doing the same?"

    'read'? Nope. A one second scan, yeah. My brain can't help it. :-)

    Could be that our friend MEBO is working up a Peter-and-the-Wolf problem! Even the most startling news, however well supported, might be overlooked.

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  8. MISSION LIFE WITH LOCKERBIE, 2013 -- Go on ground to new facts...(google translation,german/english):

    Attn. Cat Rolfe .... everything is repetition !

    1st) Only continual dropping wears the stone.

    2nd) The manipulated MST-13 timer- fragment was abused by the 'Scottish Justice' as road sign to LIBYA.

    3rd) Mainly the 'MST-13 timer fragment', will bring the 'Scottish Miscarriage of Justice' to day.

    4th) The proof of fraud with the MST-13 timer Fragment production, PT-35, PT-35(b) and DP-31(a) - will bring the Scottish Justiciary in a problematic situation,guaranteed !
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    Attn. Katze Rolfe .... alles ist Wiederholung !

    1.) Nur ständiger Tropfen höhlt den Stein .

    2.) Das manipulierte MST-13 Timerfragment wurde von der 'Scottish Justice' als Wegweiser nach LIBYEN missbraucht.

    3.) Hauptsächlich das 'MST-13 Timerfragment' kann das 'Scottish Miscarriage of Justice' an den Tag bringen.

    4.) Der Beweisbetrug mit dem
    MST-13 Timerfragment, Produktion, PT-35, PT-35(b) und DP-31(a) wird die 'Scottish Justiciary' in eine problematische Situation bringen, garantiert !

    by Edwin Bollier, MEBO Ltd. Telecommunication Switzerland. Webpage: www.lockerbie.ch






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  9. Thank you Prof. Robert Black, that you have brought my "Dublik" on your bloc.
    Not to be forgotten is the next point 5: Me and MEBO Ltd. have to complain a financial harm of about US $ 53'000'000.-- through the Scottish "Fraud Evidence" with the manipulated MST-13 timer fragment (PT-35)!
    Libya's damage is about approximately US$ 50 billion - by subsequent UN sanctions.
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    Vielen Dank Prof. Robert Black, dass Sie meine "Dublik" auf Ihrem Bloc gebracht haben. Nicht zu vergessen ist der nächste Punkt 5:
    Ich und MEBO Ltd haben durch den schottischen "Beweisbetrug" mit dem manipulierten MST-13 Timerfragment (PT-35) einen finanziellen Schaden von
    US$ 53 millionen erlitten !
    Libyen einen Schaden von zirka US$ 50 milliarden - durch anschliessende UN- Sanktionen.

    by Edwin Bollier, MEBO Ltd

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  10. Peter and the Wolf? Not following you.

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  11. Oh (light possibly glimmers). Do you mean "the boy who cried wolf"? (That's a different story.)

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