tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post4512058584133310843..comments2024-03-15T06:02:30.623+00:00Comments on The Lockerbie Case: Gerry Conlon, Ann Maguire, Dr Thomas Hayes and LockerbieRobert Blackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03606456028430261555noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-8389063168685933572014-06-22T21:51:22.508+01:002014-06-22T21:51:22.508+01:00This thread is now closed.This thread is now closed.Robert Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03606456028430261555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-22985975235484285152014-06-22T21:47:14.008+01:002014-06-22T21:47:14.008+01:00The evidence exists. Multiple high-quality photog...The evidence exists. Multiple high-quality photographs of it exist. These exist independently of anything said about the evidence in any court.<br /><br />The evidence shows that an explosive device detonated inside a brown Samsonite hardshell suitcase in the bottom front left-hand corner of baggage container AVE4041. This is absolutely beyond any dispute at all. As is the fact that this explosion caused the catastrophic break-up of the plane.<br /><br />There is no room for any doubt about this, reasonable or otherwise. Most swans may be white, but some are black. This was a black swan.<br /><br />The evidence was misinterpreted and misrepresented, both at the FAI and at Zeist. The misrepresentation took the form of assertions that the explosion had been inside the suitcase on the second layer of luggage, not the bottom one. And other stuff. That allowed the investigators to claim the bomb came in on the feeder flight, and let Heathrow off the hook.<br /><br />But the evidence is still there. It is capable of being analysed. Competent analysis shows the bomb was in the suitcase on the bottom layer. That's it.<br /><br />You don't get to say, because the evidence was misrepresented, anything at all I happen to dream up might have happened.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-10231774512505961792014-06-22T19:11:27.084+01:002014-06-22T19:11:27.084+01:00You do not need to swop any wreckage or fake any e...You do not need to swop any wreckage or fake any evidence and suppress any evidence [although that helped at Zeist] you just need experts to misinterpret and misrepresent the evidence at the fatal accident enquiry.<br /><br />And then rely on no one questioning the forensics or reporting the fatal accident enquiry or using reasonable doubt about the causes of the crash.<br /><br />Most planes crash due to accident, structural failure, pilot error, not IEDs and thus are a more likely explanation than the hare-brained Heathrow plot.<br /><br />That said, only a public enquiry can establish the official truth.<br />Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213240619989073000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-14564520266444018552014-06-22T17:20:06.843+01:002014-06-22T17:20:06.843+01:00Just to clarify, for what Dave believes to be true...Just to clarify, for what Dave believes to be true, it would be necessary for a huge amount of wreckage to have been removed from the crash scene, and replaced by pre-prepared wreckage showing an explosion in a particular place in a baggage container, and a break-up of the airframe entirely consistent with an explosion in that particular place.<br /><br />And that would all have to have been done before sunrise on 22d December.<br /><br />His fantasy of the accidental plane crash due to a structural fault is completely contradicted by the wreckage found on the ground. It's been proposed by one man, a John Barry Smith, who has some sort of a bee in his bonnet about cargo door failures on 747s. Smith wrote a fake Air Accident Report claiming this interpretation, which has fooled a number of people into taking it seriously - until they read it in detail. It completely ignores the incontrovertible evidence of the explosion in the baggage container in favour of imagining that there must be something sinister about the official AAIB report not describing certain items in detail - items that weren't relevant to how the plane came to break up.<br /><br />Exactly how the authorities happened to have all this faked-up evidence of an explosion to hand that they could get out there and plant it within hours of a fairly routine air accident, in order to spark an international terrorist manhunt, has also not been addressed.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-9693349313573487102014-06-22T16:39:42.197+01:002014-06-22T16:39:42.197+01:00No. It doesn't work like that.
Dave, can'...No. It doesn't work like that.<br /><br />Dave, can't you be content with the wrongdoing and the mistakes and the possible conspiracies implied by what the evidence actually shows? Why this compulsion to invent fairy-stories that are completely contradicted by the stuff that was actually recovered from the crash scene?Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-77172966444411585322014-06-22T15:47:18.607+01:002014-06-22T15:47:18.607+01:00If there was a concerted effort by the experts to ...If there was a concerted effort by the experts to misattribute the location of the explosion then they could equally be guilty of misrepresenting the explosion and its cause and affects?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213240619989073000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-10517161985164166602014-06-22T15:31:06.819+01:002014-06-22T15:31:06.819+01:00sfm
Of course you’re right the person who pulls th...sfm<br />Of course you’re right the person who pulls the trigger, plants a bomb or doctors the evidence is first and foremost responsible for their actions.<br /><br />I used the term in a more general political sense of who bears responsibility for creating the conditions in which these things happen.<br /><br />Otherwise if the term is applied in a literal sense it means only those soldiers who fight a war are responsible for the killing and not their commanders who give the orders.<br />Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213240619989073000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-40171122285167618032014-06-22T15:04:52.944+01:002014-06-22T15:04:52.944+01:00In the case of Lockerbie, there was a concerted ef...In the case of Lockerbie, there was a concerted effort to represent that the explosion had NOT occurred in the case that was in the position of the one Bedford saw in the container before the feeder flight landed. This all happened a long time before Megrahi or even Libya was in the frame.<br /><br />The explosion <i>was</i> in the case in the position of the one Bedford saw. And these cases were not moved after he saw it, either. The position of the bomb suitcase in relation to the other cases in the container is easy to work out. Hayes was the one whose job it was to work it out.<br /><br />As far as we know, he didn't do the job although he said he was going to. Without a proper systematic analysis of the data and a report, everyone was just flailing around making it up as they went along to suit their own preferred narrative.<br /><br />I want to know if Hayes really didn't do the job, or if he did, then colluded in concealing the results because they contradicted the preferred "not the bag on the bottom" mantra.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-23565924734297189642014-06-22T14:19:56.353+01:002014-06-22T14:19:56.353+01:00In the case of the Birmingham 6 it was a forensics...In the case of the Birmingham 6 it was a forensics expert at Morecambe police station who convinced the police that that at least two of the five men in custody had been in contact with explosives. The Greiss test was later discredited. <br />The same Greiss test would obviously have been used to establish Annie Maguire & family had also been in contact with explosives. Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00845639549869999875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-37714433808597256942014-06-22T12:39:32.759+01:002014-06-22T12:39:32.759+01:00"The Guildford 4 and Maguire 7 were victims o..."The Guildford 4 and Maguire 7 were victims of the British State, but they were first and foremost the victims of the IRA bombs, because without the IRA bombs there would be no need to satiate public anger with scapegoats."<br /><br />You would be the man to establish such an arbitrary chain of guilt, infinitely extensible in all directions, leading to the unusable conclusion that those mentioned first and foremost were victims of a complex and cruel world.<br /><br />No, the G4+M7 were first and foremost victims of trusted policemen who, deliberately it seems, manipulated evidence.<br /><br />In fact, such actions, which only can be blamed on the person doing it and the system that does not punish it, is a primary inducement of other wrongdoings.sfmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02127645052255935678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-42390036086327826942014-06-22T09:12:45.604+01:002014-06-22T09:12:45.604+01:00Scapegoating is standard statecraft and designed t...Scapegoating is standard statecraft and designed to protect the public interest from the alternatives which are often far worse.<br /><br />The Guildford 4 and Maguire 7 were victims of the British State, but they were first and foremost the victims of the IRA bombs, because without the IRA bombs there would be no need to satiate public anger with scapegoats.<br /><br />For example unless public anger is satiated [the pub bombings] you can end up with an escalation of communal violence and war.<br /><br />This is why the British approach [despite the undoubted casualties] is compared favourably to the US approach [gratuitous and indiscriminate bombing] that prolongs rather than ends conflict.<br /><br />And when the IRA decided to end their sectarian war all the victims/prisoners of war are released as part of the peace process.<br /><br />But my point is if the State promotes the public and national interest by convicting [on purpose] innocent people [the Who did it] then it is quite capable of covering-up [the What caused it] too, particularly when the same forensic experts are involved! <br />Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213240619989073000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-17496175455215314872014-06-21T21:21:53.039+01:002014-06-21T21:21:53.039+01:00LIVE WITH THE LOCKERBIE AFFAIR, 2014.
In order t...LIVE WITH THE LOCKERBIE AFFAIR, 2014. <br />In order to bring out the truth in the 'Lockerbie case' to a standstill intentionally with right delays, similar methods are in Switzerland as applied in Scotland. (only in german language):<br /><br />Um die Wahrheitsfindung im Lockerbie-Fall zum Stillstand zu bringen, werden In der Schweiz vorsätzlich, ähnliche Verzögerungs Methoden angewendet wie in Scotland. <br />Dessen ungeachtet schreitet die Wahrheitsfindung zu ihrem Ziel und wird zeigen, dass wenn in einem Kriminalfall Rechtsverzögerungen während der Wahrheitsfindung von offizieller Seite "angeordnet" werden, sich die Suche nach der Wahrheit rechtfertigt und sich lohnt.<br /><br />Edwin Bollier & MEBO AG machen sich erneut Gedanken über ein <br />- mögliches "Ränkespiel" - beim schweizerischen Nachrichtendienst des Bundes (NDB).<br /><br />In Sachen unerlaubte in Besitznahme einer MST-13 Timer Platine, welche offensichtlich später teilweise als entscheidender Indizienbeweis im "Lockerbie-Prozess" verwendet wurde, hatte am 10. November 2011, Ed. Bollier & MEBO AG, bei der schweizerischen Bundesanwaltschaft eine *Strafanzeige eingereicht. Diese richtet sich gegen einen namentlich bekannten Bundesbeamten der früheren Bundespolizei 'BUPO', heute Mitarbeiter des Nachrichtendienstes 'NDB', sowie gegen weitere mögliche unbekannte Mitbeteiligte.<br /><br />*Die Strafanzeige bezieht sich auf unerlaubte in Besitznahme einer MST-13 Timer Platine, welche später möglicherweise teilweise als Fragment (PT-35) bezugsweise als entscheidender Indizienbeweis im "Lockerbie-Prozess" verwendet wurde; u.a. abgestützt auf ein Affidavit vom 18. Juli 2007.<br /><br />Im Rahmen von Vorabklärungen im Kontext einer Staatshaftungsklage nach dem Verantwortlichkeitsgesetz, zusammenhängend mit dem Attentat auf Flug PanAm 103, über Lockerbie 1988, hatte das Eidgenössische Justiz- und Polizeidepartement (EJPD) gegen einen Mitarbeiter des Nachrichtendienst des Bundes, am 17. März 2014, eine Ermächtigungsverfügung für eine Strafuntersuchung erteilt. (Art. 15 Abs. 1 Verantwortlichkeitsgesetz).<br /><br />Im Hinblick auf diese Ermächtigung hatte die Aufsichtsbehörde über die Bundesanwaltschaft (AB-BA) für die Durchführung der Strafuntersuchung, am <br />9. April 2014, den ausserordentlichen Staatsanwalt, Felix Bänziger ernannt.<br /><br />Obwohl der Entscheid vom 17. März 2014, in der Ermächtigungsverfügung, nach Art. 15 Abs. 4 VG, endgültig war, liess der Angeklagte Mitarbeiter des 'NDB' am 8. Mai 2014, die Verfügung beim Bundesverwaltungsgericht, anfechten...<br /><br />Durch diese neue denkbar gezielte Rechtsverzögerung, wurde die Strafuntersuchung bis zur gerichtlichen Abklärung vorläufig sistiert...<br /><br />by Edwin Bollier, MEBO Ltd. Telecommunication Switzerland. Webpage: www.lockerbie,ch<br /><br /> <br /><br />ebolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12681382726604052927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-47572198931082043812014-06-21T20:10:48.518+01:002014-06-21T20:10:48.518+01:00One of the big questions regarding the Lockerbie f...One of the big questions regarding the Lockerbie forensics is, did Hayes know?<br /><br />On 19-1-89 he noted in a memo his intention to identify the luggage in the container and figure out where each piece had been positioned in relation to the centre of the explosion. On 20-1-89 he drew the McKee Samsonite sitting upright the way Bedford loaded it into the back row, and showed the blast hitting it right at floor level. Did he work it out or not?<br /><br />There's no record of his having figured out where the rest of the blast-damaged cases were loaded, although it's extremely easy to work it out. Did he forget about this wee job? Or did he do it then conceal the report because it showed the bomb suitcase was on the floor of the container - exactly where all the investigators were apparently being urged to say it wasn't?<br /><br />His evidence on this point at Zeist was a masterclass in obfuscation and evasion. It's absolutely jawdropping. Asked whether he'd recorded this "jigsaw" he was referring to (by then trying to represent the Coyle case as having been under the bomb, which is a complete nonsense), he replied "I can't help you with that."<br /><br />They were all at it. Feraday, Cullis, Claiden and Protheroe all joined in the chorus of "not the bag on the bottom." It <i>was</i> the bag on the bottom. Genuinely mistaken, even in the face of the evidence? Or lying to protect BAA?<br /><br />But Hayes was the one, of all of them, who should have worked it out. It was his baby. He recognised the job he should be doing. He was eminently qualified to do it - a moderately bright schoolboy could do it. But he resigned. Toenail-trimming was his new calling.<br /><br />I would give a minor body part to know whether he solved that suitcase jigsaw, then colluded in the report being concealed.Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849975010197698907noreply@blogger.com