tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post8213886703256019933..comments2024-03-15T06:02:30.623+00:00Comments on The Lockerbie Case: Libya may investigate LockerbieRobert Blackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03606456028430261555noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-85828977138243436302011-11-27T22:04:41.310+00:002011-11-27T22:04:41.310+00:00{MEBO-statements}\{nonsense, untruths or at best i...{MEBO-statements}\{nonsense, untruths or at best incomprehensible babble} = {Ø}SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13272238187226269250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-55537001236866200942011-11-26T11:12:43.456+00:002011-11-26T11:12:43.456+00:00INteresting to see so much pressure (rightly) on E...INteresting to see so much pressure (rightly) on Egypt to get elections done and dusted. The main source of the pressure? That well know bastion of democracy, the United States of America. <br /><br />No such pressure on the NTC in Libya to hold elections tho, eh? Wonder why that is.Jo Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536467440869239587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-27762908846037767742011-11-25T05:45:52.327+00:002011-11-25T05:45:52.327+00:00Corrupt CIA officials, allowed the bombing of Pan ...Corrupt CIA officials, allowed the bombing of Pan Am 103 to proceed, because Charles McKee knew too much about "Operation Ringwind"<br /><br />http://scot-land.blogspot.com/2008/06/operation-ringwind-and-lockerbie.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-82950358452288948942011-11-24T18:04:14.860+00:002011-11-24T18:04:14.860+00:00MISSION LOCKERBIE, 2011:
Algebra / mathematic set...MISSION LOCKERBIE, 2011:<br /><br />Algebra / mathematic set theory: 1988 + PanAm 103 - Libya + Moammar Gadhafi - (Abdelbaset Al Megrahi) - Tony Gauci + MaltaAir KM-180 (Toshiba radio recorder + MEBO MST-13 timer) - Frankfurt + Heathrow = Lockerbie - (IRAN + PLO/GC + Syra ) + (- Moussa Koussa - Abdullah al Senussi - (SCCRC) = 0 ... Who was it really ???<br />+++<br />Algebra / Mengenlehre : 1988 + PanAm 103- Libya + Moammar Gadhafi - (Abdelbaset Al Megrahi) - Tony Gauci-+ MaltaAir KM-180- (Toshiba Radiorecorder + MEBO MST-13 Timer) - Frankfurt + Heathrow = Lockerbie - (IRAN + PLO/GC + Syria) + (- Moussa Koussa - Abdullah al Senussi - (SCCRC) = 0 ... Wer war es wirklich ???<br /><br />by Edwin and Mahnaz Bollier MEBO LTD. Switzerland. URL: www.lockerbie.chebolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12681382726604052927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-58254937128133310922011-11-24T14:33:09.782+00:002011-11-24T14:33:09.782+00:00SM, thanks for those links. I read the Hans Koec...SM, thanks for those links. I read the Hans Koechler statement about the ICC. Depressing reading.Jo Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536467440869239587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-47233738188860872272011-11-24T14:30:11.628+00:002011-11-24T14:30:11.628+00:00This is on CNN from Oct 22.
"Mahmoud Jibril...This is on CNN from Oct 22. <br /><br />"Mahmoud Jibril, chairman of the National Transitional Council executive board, said elections "should be within a period of eight months, maximum." He spoke at the World Economic Forum in Jordan.<br /><br />The first vote will be for a National Congress that will draft a constitution. After that, parliamentary and presidential elections will be held."<br /><br />So why isn't the UK pushing them on that and why are the NTC, who do not have a mandate, being allowed to adopt the authority of a government when they are not elected?Jo Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536467440869239587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-38468218705060769562011-11-24T14:21:31.274+00:002011-11-24T14:21:31.274+00:00Thank you Prof B, I thought it was just me! I cou...Thank you Prof B, I thought it was just me! I couldn't believe he had expressed indifference about the trial being fair. <br /><br />On the other stuff, I understand that not all states are democracies but I very much recall the song and dance made by the West about Libya becoming one after the dirty stuff was over. Hence the naming of the Rebels, meantime, as the National Transitional Council pre elections. The West appear to have forgotten the election part. These guys are, if you look at Libya from the West's eyes, there by the same route as Gaddafi was, via a coup, only the Rebels' coup had Western firepower helping them. But a government they aint.Jo Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536467440869239587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-50904847600785187652011-11-24T14:14:33.031+00:002011-11-24T14:14:33.031+00:00Don't expect anything making sense justice-wis...Don't expect anything making sense justice-wise from the ICC construction.<br /><br />Ever since I heard that the prosecutor's material against Milosevic filled 500,000 pages I realized that it was a complete farce. <br /><br />Hans Koechler has some considerations here.<br />http://www.i-p-o.org/IPO-Koechler-ICC-politicization-2009.htm<br /><br />We have ongoing wars in the middle east with tens of millions of people affected, millions of violent civilian deaths and vast reports of war crimes.<br /><br />So, enjoy the list of people who qualify to get an ICC case against them. See something common for all of them?<br /><br />http://www.icc-cpi.int/Menus/ICC/Situations+and+Cases/Cases/<br /><br />No, you didn't see "African ICC cases". This is ALL cases.<br /><br />And this is our world's "ICC". You couldn't make this up.SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13272238187226269250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-65641123586787706612011-11-24T14:03:26.763+00:002011-11-24T14:03:26.763+00:00Jo, I'm afraid that a state doesn't have t...Jo, I'm afraid that a state doesn't have to be a democracy before its government is recognised in international law or by the United Nations (and the ICC is, of course, a UN creation). The test is whether it's in control of the country, not whether it has democratic credentials. Many UN member states are not democracies. <br /><br />What is very worrying is that Moreno Ocampo seems not to be interested in whether Saif can get a fair trial in Libya, but only in establishing that any proceedings are "not organized to shield the suspect". That is an utterly disgraceful sentiment to be expressed by any prosecutor.Robert Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03606456028430261555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-80718761518113891742011-11-24T12:43:08.551+00:002011-11-24T12:43:08.551+00:00***Apologies: penultimate sentence should say:
&q...***Apologies: penultimate sentence should say:<br /><br />"Whatever his crimes Gaddafi Junior was a senior figure in negotiations with the UK over Megrahi and trade deals and he will have information about deals done over Megrahi and perhaps the truth about Lockerbie."Jo Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536467440869239587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1073021351804532798.post-2951833495362085602011-11-24T12:39:15.980+00:002011-11-24T12:39:15.980+00:00Prof B, I'd like to know your take on this bus...Prof B, I'd like to know your take on this business in case I have it wrong. <br /><br />The reason the NTC are known by that title is, as far as I am aware, because they are not an elected government. Wasn't the whole point of "ousting" (or, rather, executing) Gaddafi about bringing to Libya this wonderful thing democracy? So how could this ICC prosecutor claim yesterday that they have "the authority" to deal with Saif Gaddafi. The NTC is made up of "the Rebels" the West assisted to get rid of Gaddafi: they are all self-appointed without a democratic mandate from that group the Western media frequently mentioned during the conflict, "the people of Libya". Surely the first priority is for the NTC to seek a democratic mandate before they start on anything else. Yet the West seems unconcerned. <br /><br />This is from Reuters yesterday. <br /><br />" Luis Moreno-Ocampo's remarks make it more likely Saif al-Islam will be tried by a Libyan court, where he faces the death penalty, even though the final decision lies with ICC judges rather than Moreno-Ocampo himself.<br /><br />Moreno-Ocampo said he did not need to know that a Libyan trial would be fully fair, he simply wanted to be sure that it would not be a whitewash for Saif al-Islam, whom the ICC has indicted for crimes against humanity.<br /><br />"My standard, the standard of the ICC, is that it has to be a judicial process that is not organized to shield the suspect. That's it, that's it," Moreno-Ocampo told reporters during a visit to Tripoli following Saif al-Islam's weekend capture."<br /><br />I find it bizarre that Moreno-Ocampo made such statements and that it isn't important to him whether Saif Gaddafi's trial is "fair". Whatever his crimes Gaddafi Junior was a senior figure in negotiations with the UK over Gaddafi and he will have information about deals done over Megrahi and the truth about Lockerbie. Why would Moreno-Ocampo be so indifferent about that?Jo Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536467440869239587noreply@blogger.com